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Okay, I've become obsessed with this genre, and I'm aware of the fact that it's fairly obscure... But I can't help but rant about it, so here it is.

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A definition of Progressive Rock Music
Progressive rock (often shortened to prog or prog rock) is a form of rock music that evolved in the late 1960s and early 1970s as part of a "mostly British attempt to elevate rock music to new levels of artistic credibility." The term "art rock" is often used interchangeably with "progressive rock", but while there are crossovers between the two genres, they are not identical.

Progressive rock bands pushed "rock's technical and compositional boundaries" by going beyond the standard rock or popular verse-chorus-based song structures. Additionally, the arrangements often incorporated elements drawn from classical, jazz, and world music. Instrumentals were common, while songs with lyrics were sometimes conceptual, abstract, or based in fantasy. Progressive rock bands sometimes used "concept albums that made unified statements, usually telling an epic story or tackling a grand overarching theme."

Progressive rock developed from late 1960s psychedelic rock, as part of a wide-ranging tendency in rock music of this era to draw inspiration from ever more diverse influences. The term was applied to the music of bands such as King Crimson, Yes, Genesis, Pink Floyd, Jethro Tull, Soft Machine and Emerson, Lake and Palmer. Progressive rock came into most widespread use around the mid-1970s. While progressive rock reached the peak of its popularity in the 1970s and early 1980s, neo-progressive bands have continued playing for faithful audiences in the subsequent decades.

Musical characteristics
Form: Progressive rock songs either avoid common popular music song structures of verse-chorus-bridge, or blur the formal distinctions by extending sections or inserting musical interludes, often with exaggerated dynamics to heighten contrast between sections. Classical forms are often inserted or substituted, sometimes yielding entire suites, building on the traditional medleys of earlier rock bands. Progressive rock songs also often have extended instrumental passages, marrying the classical solo tradition with the improvisational traditions of jazz and psychedelic rock. All of these tend to add length to progressive rock songs, which may last longer than twenty minutes.

Timbre (instrumentation and tone color): Early progressive rock groups expanded the timbral palette of the then-traditional rock instrumentation of guitar, organ, bass, and drums by adding instruments more typical of jazz or folk music, such as flute, saxophone and violin, and more often than not used electronic keyboards, synthesizers, and electronic effects. Some instruments – most notably the Moog synthesizer and the Mellotron – have become closely associated with the genre.

Rhythm: Drawing on their classical, jazz, folk and experimental influences, progressive rock artists are more likely to explore time signatures other than 4/4 and tempo changes. Progressive rock generally tends to be freer in its rhythmic approach than other forms of rock music. The approach taken varies, depending on the band, but may range from regular beats to irregular or complex Time Signatures.

Melody and Harmony: In prog rock, the blues inflections of mainstream rock are often supplanted by jazz and classical influences. Melodies are more likely to be modal than based on the pentatonic scale, and are more likely to comprise longer, developing passages than short, catchy ones. Chords and chord progressions may be augmented with 6ths, 7ths, 9ths, and compound intervals; and the I-IV-V progression is much less common. Allusions to, or even direct quotes from, well-known classical themes are common. Some bands have used atonal or dissonant harmonies, and a few have even worked with rudimentary serialism.

Texture and imagery: Ambient soundscapes and theatrical elements may be used to describe scenes, events or other aspects of the concept. For example, Leitmotif is used to represent the various characters in Genesis' "Harold the Barrel" and "Robbery, Assault and Battery." More literally, the sounds of clocks and cash registers are used to represent time and money in Pink Floyd's The Dark Side of the Moon.

Other characteristics
Technology: To aid timbral exploration, progressive rock bands were often early adopters of new electronic musical instruments and technologies. The mellotron, particularly, was a signature sound of early progressive bands. Pink Floyd utilized an EMS Synthi A synthesizer equipped with a sequencer on their track "On the Run" from their 1973 album Dark Side of the Moon. In the late 1970s, Robert Fripp, of King Crimson, and Brian Eno developed an analog tape loops effect (Frippertronics). In the 1980s, Frank Zappa used the Synclavier for composing and recording, and King Crimson utilized MIDI-enabled guitars, a Chapman Stick, and electronic percussion.

Concept albums: Collections of songs unified by an elaborate, overarching theme or story are common to progressive rock. As songs by progressive rock acts tend to be quite long, such collections have frequently exceeded the maximum length of recorded media, resulting in packages that require multiple vinyl discs, cassettes, or compact discs in order to present a single album. Concepts have included the historical, fantastical, and metaphysical, and even, in the case of Jethro Tull's Thick as a Brick, poking fun at concept albums.

Lyrical themes: Progressive rock typically has lyrical ambition similar to its musical ambition, tending to avoid typical rock/pop subjects such as love, dancing, etc., rather inclining towards the kinds of themes found in classical literature, fantasy, folklore, social commentry or all of these. Peter Gabriel (Genesis) often wrote surreal stories to base his lyrics around, sometimes including theatrical elements with several characters, while Roger Waters (Pink Floyd) combined social criticism with personal struggles with greed, madness, and death.

Presentation: Album art and packaging is often an important part of the artistic concept. This trend can be seen to have begun with The Beatles' Sgt. Pepper's Lonely Hearts Club Band and played a major part in the marketing of progressive rock. Some bands became as well known for the art direction of their albums as for their sound, with the "look" integrated into the band's overall musical identity. This led to fame for particular artists and design studios, most notably Roger Dean for his work with Yes, and Hipgnosis for their work with Pink Floyd and several other progressive rock groups.

Stage theatrics: Beginning in the early 1970s, some progressive rock bands began incorporating elaborate and sometimes flamboyant stage theatrics into their concerts. Genesis lead singer Peter Gabriel wore many different colourful and exotic costumes in one show and frequently acted out the lyrical narrative of the songs, and the band used lasers and giant mirrors synchronized with the music. Yes incorporated futuristic stage sets designed by Roger Dean, including massive spaceship props and complex lighting. Yes also performed 'in-the-round', with the band on a round stage set up in the middle of the arena. Jethro Tull released rabbits on stage (see here). One of ELP's many stage antics include Emerson's "flying piano" at the California Jam concert, in which a Steinway grand piano would be spun from a hoist. Pink Floyd used many stage effects, including crashing aeroplanes, a giant floating pig, massive projection screens, and, in 1980, an enormous mock brick wall for The Wall performances. Rush incorporated lasers and film backdrops into their stage show. Frank Zappa and The Mothers of Invention used a giant giraffe prop and did improvisational comedy skits. Marillion's former lead singer Fish wore a jester costume inspired by the band's first album, Script for a Jester's Tear.


(Taken from http://www.progarchi....asp#definition)

Any fans out there?
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I only learned about this genre after I read your post. :lol: If you list some "prog" tracks I'll give it a listen!

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Here's a great one to start with...


And some Rush, too:


Genesis started as a progressive rock band, too:


Ever hear of An Endless Sporadic? They had a song on Guitar Hero 3. This is from their self-titled album:
It won't let me post more videos.

And how about Yes? They're widely viewed as one of the best prog bands to ever be in existence, especially at their peak in the 70s. This is one of my favorites from this band:
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Here's what got me into prog: "Octavarium"* by Dream Theater.
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*This one's packed with musical "easter eggs." (http://dt.spatang.com/octavarium.php)
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Can't believe I never posted here.

Anyway, considering how much I love Rush (along with Pink Floyd, Genesis, and Dream Theater) prog has had it's impact on me and I would consider myself a fan. I'd also like to point out that you are awesome for pointing to one of my favourite songs of all time in Jacob's Ladder. (I know you can't see the video right now, but I looked up what you posted). Hell, all of the album Permanent Waves could be considered among my favourite songs of all time!
"When they turn the pages of history, when these days have passed long ago.
Will they read of us with sadness? For the seeds that we let grow? We turned our gaze to the castles in the distance. Eyes cast down on the path of least resistance." - 'A Farewell to Kings' by Rush.

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On the topic of prog rock, is anyone here a fan of Tool? I think they're pretty sweet. :D


Well, I'm a bored 17-year-old nerd with a bit of a chip on my shoulder. My interests include music, computers, the internet, and video games. I'd type more, but I don't really feel motivated to do so. =p

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Progressive rock has to be some of the best rock ever. I mean, you basically just have to listen to Pink Floyd and most people would know what I mean :D
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View PostJoran, on 17 May 2011 - 09:29 PM, said:

Can't believe I never posted here.

Anyway, considering how much I love Rush (along with Pink Floyd, Genesis, and Dream Theater) prog has had it's impact on me and I would consider myself a fan. I'd also like to point out that you are awesome for pointing to one of my favourite songs of all time in Jacob's Ladder. (I know you can't see the video right now, but I looked up what you posted). Hell, all of the album Permanent Waves could be considered among my favourite songs of all time!


~Fixed the videos~

With such a long wait for replies, I was starting to think I was the only fan! :sweat: Yes, Permanent Waves is on my current list of favorite albums, along with Moving Pictures. As for Genesis, my favorite albums are Nursery Cryme, Foxtrot, and Selling England by the Pound. Dream Theater... everything. :laugh: I'm still exploring almost every band I mentioned.
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I'm not as big on Genesis and Dream Theater as I am on Rush. I still think both bands are very talented. With Rush, I have favourite albums, with Genesis and Dream Theater it's songs.

My two particular favourite's from Dream Theater that I've heard to this point are "A Fortune in Lies" and "A Change of Seasons."

With Genesis, I usually prefer their songs with Peter Gabriel as the lead singer. It's not that Phil Collins is bad, I just prefer Peter Gabriel. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly good at remembering the names of most Genesis songs I hear.

I have been delving a little deeper into the genre of late and found a couple really solid artists like Porcupine Tree and FramePictures (I remember you posting a song of theirs on this forum, Hyper. That introduced me to them so I bought their album and I love it).
"When they turn the pages of history, when these days have passed long ago.
Will they read of us with sadness? For the seeds that we let grow? We turned our gaze to the castles in the distance. Eyes cast down on the path of least resistance." - 'A Farewell to Kings' by Rush.

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View PostJoran, on 19 May 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

I'm not as big on Genesis and Dream Theater as I am on Rush. I still think both bands are very talented. With Rush, I have favourite albums, with Genesis and Dream Theater it's songs.

My two particular favourite's from Dream Theater that I've heard to this point are "A Fortune in Lies" and "A Change of Seasons."

Yes, both are very good songs. If you like their epics, I suggest Octavarium or The Six Degrees of Inner Turbulence.

View PostJoran, on 19 May 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

With Genesis, I usually prefer their songs with Peter Gabriel as the lead singer. It's not that Phil Collins is bad, I just prefer Peter Gabriel. Unfortunately, I'm not particularly good at remembering the names of most Genesis songs I hear.

Yes!! Gabriel-era Genesis is my favorite. Dancing with the Moonlit Knight is a great song, if you're interested.

View PostJoran, on 19 May 2011 - 02:07 PM, said:

I have been delving a little deeper into the genre of late and found a couple really solid artists like Porcupine Tree and FramePictures (I remember you posting a song of theirs on this forum, Hyper. That introduced me to them so I bought their album and I love it).

Porcupine Tree is a great band, I still need to look into the further. This is my favorite song by them so far:


And glad you like FramePictures!! It's kinda funny... their guitarist (Helder da Silva) friended me on Facebook. It's cool 'cause I get to see a lot of behind-the-scenes stuff.
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I'm back!! :woot:


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